Jared says:

Matt

Jared says:

Did you ever read that page?

Matt says:

ya I read it, sorry been doing a bunch of other stuff.  Makes sense now

Matt says:

I've very suspicious about Dumbledore's death

Jared says:

what do you mean?

Jared says:

Everyone keeps forgetting that Dumbledore didn't die ...

Jared says:

he was murdered

Matt says:

I just feel that it was planned.  Snape goes to him and says that I made the unbreakable vow then Dumbledore tells him that throughout the year he will train Harry in Voldy's past.  Then when the time was right to kill him.  I think it was planned all along between Dumbledore and Snape.  Why else would he do it?

Jared says:

That is simple

Jared says:

because Snivilous is evil

Matt says:

it was the only way to keep Voldy unsuspicious about Snape

Jared says:

Snivilous did it on Voldy's orders

Matt says:

now Snape rejoins Voldy and is still an insider for good.

Jared says:

Snivilous always was an insider

Matt says:

but for good

Jared says:

he was revealed in this one

Jared says:

revealed to be a true death eater

Jared says:

EVIL

Jared says:

It is so simple.   Snivilous murdered Dumbledore

Jared says:

evil Snivilous used an evil curse to do an evil murder

Matt says:

then what do all the people that have theories say, WHY DID Dumbledore TRUST SNAPE?

Jared says:

Dumbledore's biggest mistake

Jared says:

Dumbledore said himself that he makes mistakes ...

Jared says:

and his mistakes are correspondingly huger

Jared says:

This is his huger mistake

Jared says:

trusting Snivilous

Matt says:

ya but Snape didn't do anything to Harry afterward just ran away.  I know Voldy wanted him but he still didn't do any curses on him until the very last second so he could get away.  I just feel that he didn't want to hurt Harry because it's all part of his big plan to help bring down Voldy

Jared says:

There is lots of evidence to support your theory

Jared says:

You could be right

Jared says:

but I don't believe it

Jared says:

There is lots of evidence to support my theory too

Matt says:

Plus order of the Phoenix book

Matt says:

at the end

Matt says:

Snape didn't have to tell anyone what Harry and the other kids were doing

Matt says:

but he did and the Order went to help

Jared says:

He was just covering his own butt

Jared says:

I don't think that Snivilous is loyal to Voldy

Jared says:

and I don't think that he was loyal to Dumbledore either

Jared says:

He is his own evil entity. watching out for himself

Matt says:

I believe the ONLY reason he killed Dumbledore was because of the vow.  If not for that he wouldn't have done it.  Only because Draco chickened out

Jared says:

that is true

Jared says:

He keeps all doors open and stands in the middle for his best personal outcome and comfort

Matt says:

He didn't want to die so he killed Dumbledore

Jared says:

I agree

Jared says:

the GOOD GUY die for good

Jared says:

they don't KILL for good

Jared says:

Snivilous is not one of the GOOD GUYS

Matt says:

the other thing I thought was stupid was ...

Matt says:

Snape all of the sudden is some super Wizard and able to block all curses, when he never did before.

Jared says:

What do you mean when he never did before?

Matt says:

why doesn't everyone block everything

Matt says:

if it's sooo easy

Jared says:

when have you seen him fight?

Jared says:

Snape is the 2nd or 3rd most accomplished legilimens in the world

Jared says:

THAT is what gave him his power that night

Jared says:

other wizards can't do legilimency

Jared says:

Snape knew what Potter was doing before he did it

Jared says:

He said, " No Potter.  Not until you learn to shut your mouth and close your mind"

Matt says:

he didn't block Harry in the classroom when Harry sent him flying

Jared says:

Harry didn't send him flying

Jared says:

that was his own spell

Matt says:

there have been other times too that Snape didn't block stuff

Jared says:

like when?

Jared says:

The dueling club in book 2?

Jared says:

Snivilous pummeled Lockhart

Matt says:

Well I can't be specific right now, some day

Jared says:

Snivilous IS super powerful

Jared says:

and always has been

Matt says:

oh, book 3

Jared says:

"He knew more dark magic than most 7th years when he was 11 years old"

Jared says:

"He invented spells when he was at Hogwarts"

Matt says:

he was getting his butt kicked by Harry in the Shrieking Shack

Jared says:

Harry, Ron, and Hermione

Jared says:

Remember that the movie got it wrong

Matt says:

ya

Matt says:

didn't block that stuff

Jared says:

He was concentrating on Lupin and Black

Jared says:

and He was raging

Matt says:

it just seemed over the top to me

Jared says:

no not over the top

Jared says:

That is what a Legilimens can do

Jared says:

that is why Harry MUST discover and practice his Legilimency skills

Matt says:

why can't anyone block any spell if they see it coming then?

Jared says:

They can

Matt says:

nobody does

Jared says:

but we've only met 3 Legilimens

Jared says:

it is rare to be able to do Legilimency

Matt says:

Or he needs to learn occlumency

Jared says:

he needs both

Jared says:

Occlumency to block Snivilous and Voldy

Jared says:

and Legilimency to see what they are about to do

Jared says:

Like Snivilous can

Matt says:

so then if Voldy is the best Legilimens then how will Harry ever get a spell off

Jared says:

Voldy transferred his powers into Harry

Jared says:

Harry needs to develop it

Jared says:

It is there (Like parseltounge)

Jared says:

Harry just needs to get off his butt

Jared says:

I am telling you Matt.  None of the other wizards know how to do Legilimency

Jared says:

out of all the wizards we've met, only Dumbledore, Voldy and Snivilous (maybe Lupin)

Matt says:

Well this is how I read between the lines during Snape's run away ...

Matt says:

He was basically telling Harry to stop trying to hit him with spells and to let him get away or he would ruin the plan

Matt says:

why else would he be so upset by being called a coward

Jared says:

And I say that Dumbledore would never tell someone to commit murder

Jared says:

remember in book 3

Jared says:

the reason that Pettigrew was spared

Jared says:

Harry said, "I don't reckon my dad would want you to become killers"

Jared says:

It is an insult to Dumbledore's character to say that he wanted Snape to become a killer

Matt says:

It was a sacrifice on Dumbledore's part to get closer to bringing down Voldy

Jared says:

Dumbledore would die for a plan   -Yes-  but he would not kill for it

Jared says:

or ask someone else to kill for it

Jared says:

He would DIE but not KILL    That is what I say

Matt says:

so, you didn't answer when I said why else would snape get so mad by being called a coward

Jared says:

Snivilous is prideful

Jared says:

He hates being called a coward

Jared says:

He hated it when Bellatrix called him one

Jared says:

He loved it when he called Sirius one

Jared says:

He hated James

Jared says:

He hates Harry

Jared says:

He hated being called a coward by James' son

Jared says:

He had orders not to kill Harry

Jared says:

and he really wanted to

Jared says:

so he threw a tantrum instead

Matt says:

hum

Matt says:

fine, I just have my suspicions

Jared says:

Dumbledore didn't give Snivilous the dark arts job for so long.....why?

Jared says:

because he didn't want to tempt him

Jared says:

so then he says "Go ahead and use Avada Kedavra on me"?

Jared says:

NO WAY

Matt says:

So did Snape hate Dumbledore?

Jared says:

yes

Matt says:

the book said he got some kind of look on his face

Matt says:

hate look I think before the killing curse

Matt says:

I wonder why, Dumbledore was always so nice to him and trusted in him

Jared says:

because he is a twisted evil man

Jared says:

look,  even if Snivilous told Dumbledore about the vow ....

Jared says:

why did he make the vow in the first place?  What that on Dumbledore's orders?

Matt says:

well I always thought the whole time he was bluffing to the sisters about knowing the plan of the dark Lord.  I thought he was playing dumb to try and get it out of them?

Jared says:

That could be true

Matt says:

I mean when did he finally find out the plan.  He was concerned when he pull Draco aside because Draco wasn't confiding in him

Jared says:

concerned for his own life

Matt says:

I thought he still might not know even that far into the book

Jared says:

maybe not

Matt says:

why if he is soo evil then he could do it anytime

Jared says:

his evil plan is not to help the Dark Lord win

Jared says:

His evil plan is to keep himself alive and comfortable

Jared says:

and to learn as much dark arts magic as he can

Jared says:

He LOVES the dark arts

Jared says:

I am not saying that Snivilous is loyal to Voldy

Matt says:

then why isn't HE the dark lord?

Jared says:

Tom Riddle is more powerful than Snivilous

Jared says:

he can't be the dark lord while Voldy is around

Jared says:

He probably doesn't even want to be THE dark lord

Jared says:

too many enemies

Jared says:

that isn't Snivilous' style

Jared says:

Snivilous wants power, comfort, and revenge

Jared says:

He is getting it too

Jared says:

Almost all the marauders are dead now

Jared says:

James and Sirius are dead

Jared says:

Snivilous' fondest wish has come true

Jared says:

and by the way, that is the reason he sent Sirius to the battle

Jared says:

so he would get killed

Matt says:

well what about Lupin?  Does he want him dead?

Matt says:

and Wormtail?

Matt says:

the 4 of them hung out in school

Jared says:

He has made a servant out of Wormtail

Jared says:

He will probably personally kill Lupin next ...  or try to

Matt says:

I wonder if Snape used Occlumency when Voldy was using Legilimens on him to find out what he had really been doing for 15 years

Jared says:

Yes,  Snivilous uses Occlumency all the time

Jared says:

on every one

Jared says:

Including Dumbledore

Matt says:

Oh so the other person can't tell if you are doing Occlumency or Legilimency?

Jared says:

I don't know but it must be or Voldy would have known all this time

Matt says:

well Draco was able to keep Snape out of his thoughts

Jared says:

Draco is better at Occlumency than Harry is

Matt says:

So Bellatrix taught him, so she knows how too

Jared says:

Harry can't do it at all

Jared says:

His dad taught him

Matt says:

NO, Snape said, "So I see your Aunty Bellatrix has been teaching you this past summer"

Jared says:

anyone can do it if they practice.  but it is NEWT magic and most don't learn it

Jared says:

ok

Jared says:

maybe it is Bella

Jared says:

and Harry just won't practice

Jared says:

Harry has a mental block for it because of Snivilous

Matt says:

Bellatrix is a nasty woman.  I want to see her done in

Jared says:

Everyone want Neville to do it

Jared says:

Anyway.   there is plenty of argument for both sides of the Snivilous thing

Jared says:

But I say EVIL

Jared says:

I am going to start a website called www.burn-in-hell-snivilous.com

Matt says:

that's funny

Jared says:

I am laughing right now

Matt says:

well time for bed

Jared says:

I'll talk to you later

Jared says:

Think about Dumbledore wanting someone to murder

Jared says:

I am trying to convert people to my side

Matt says:

the only reason I would agree

Matt says:

is because Dumbledore said, in a pleading voice. "Severus" before he was killed

Jared says:

If I learn anything new I'll tell you

Jared says:

By the way, Roland agrees with you

Matt says:

Cool

Jared says:

I've already tried to convince him

Jared says:

We'll all see in two years

Jared says:

At least we know that R. A. B. is Regulus Black

Matt says:

I hope Harry gets back together with Jenny

Jared says:

I thought it was lame that he did a Peter Parker

Matt says:

ya

Matt says:

but I think they would use her as bait.  He did make a good point

Matt says:

oh, well

Jared says:

Yea,  that is what Spiderman said too

Jared says:

I guess he was right

Jared says:

I'll talk to you later

Matt says:

later